How To Get To Number 1 On Google Without Breaking The Rules


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Replacing something that’s genuine, aged and valuable with something similar but ultimately a poor copy of what is already available is not without it’s perils.

There are plenty of stories out there about ranking woes. If you try and force Google’s hand where it is ranking sites, Google DOES have a big surprise in store for you.

Surprise

The ‘rules’ clearly state (in 2014), that if you try to manipulate your rankings through ways Google disapproves of – they will penalise your site – for a long time – and Google disapproves of a LOT. Making a claim for a top spot IN A COMPETITIVE industry without quality links and relevant content over a PERIOD OF SUFFICIENT TIME,  in a vertical with relatively stable rankings, raises a red flag to Google. I’ve seen sites rise and rise and rise and when they get to the top, they get slapped back 40 places. Sometimes immediately – sometimes a few months later.

If you are at the top of the results, you can bet Google will take a closer look at your site. That might be deeper algorithmic analysis of your site, or even a manual review…. sometimes I actually worry about all of a sudden appearing near the top of results. Sometimes, it is shortly followed by a big drop, if the methods used were a little ropey.

If I bag a top ten ranking, I don’t usually push for number 1 in Google anymore – not without a strategy based entirely on making things better – low quality link building, for instance, is just not a long term plan I want to invest my energies in any more. I normally concentrate on other keywords when I get into the top set of results, and on building domain trust, and usually only focus on the main term if I have a solid gold linking opportunity on a site with mega trust.

Why Is A Top Ranking In Google So Valuable?

Money!

A number 1 ranking in Google:

  • attracts the lion share of visitor clicks and gets
  • a lot more clicks than no2 position, and
  • vastly more than the other 8 listings in the SERP

Of course, that’s assuming your search engine results page (SERP) snippet is as ‘clickable’ and ‘relevant’ as the competing pages’ snippets for that search query.

Organic listings as a whole get more (perhaps double) the clicks a sponsored ad listing attracts according to musings in the seo industry at the moment but it suits Google to balance that out in the future (because Google makes more money from advertising). I would be more specific with the numbers, but I don’t trust most stats out there these days about such things.

Everyone wants to know:

How to get to number 1 on Google?

…but the truth is Google changes what is number 1 in SERPS pretty often.

Typically there a few obvious ways to get to number 1:

  • Free / Natural / Organic Listings
    • Organic Listings
    • News
    • Video
    • Maps
    • Places
    • Blogs
    • Images
    • Social Updates
    • Shopping
  • Sponsored / Advertising links

A number 1 ranking in Google natural listings is most valuable, because you do not pay for the clicks. Free traffic from Google is the holy grail. Websites with a lot of organic number ones get a lot of free traffic from Google.

In competitive niches, you will need to pay Google to be number 1 using Google Adwords, and this will continue to be the case as Google becomes more an more, a local search engine (IMO). Google Adwords is typically the fast way to get to number one for valuable and competitive keywords and keyphrases.

What Do You What To Rank Top For?

Some companies want to rank for different things and certain links and strategies achieve different results. That’s the end of link building for beginners month on the Hobo site – hope you found it useful.

I’d thought I’d close mentioning you really should have a specific goal every time you start link building.

What do you want to rank no1 in Google for anyways?

  • your company name or brand? Not only do you want to rank for it, you want to control every mention of your company name in Google, easily done by social media participation and using the authority of other sites to rank for your brand. Very easy to achieve with just on page optimisation and a few incoming low-quality links (sometimes, not even).
  • Your service, in your area? – again, fairly easy. Done with on-page optimisation (geographic mentions in the title and in the text for instance), and generally speaking some low-quality links
  • Your service in your country? - slightly more difficult than above, but can be handled with plenty of low quality links from even low quality, unrelated sites in some cases
  • Your service? – difficult depending on the niche – you’re going to need some decent links or at least the same amount of crap links your competitors have. Crap anchor text links outweigh unfocused poor anchor text links from even relatively authority sites.
  • Your products? – generally speaking, very difficult, especially if your products can be bought in a 1000 other places. You’re going to UNIQUE CONTENT, need links that pass Pagerank, anchor text and trust ie ranking ability. You’re going to need a few trusted sites to link to you to rank all those products. The more pages on your site, the more Pagerank you will need. To get pr, you need incoming links.

A weight of crap links built over time can beat even a relatively trusted site in Google in 2009 – still. However, it’s these links Google have a lot of brainy people working on attempting to nullify, so why swim against the tide?

ESPECIALLY considering just a few links from one site can transfer instant ranking ability and trust to a new site, or one link from one PR5 page can transfer enough Pagerank to heat up an entire 200 page website with no other links. Finding those sites can be a full time occupation though.

Deciding what you want to rank for and how you want to do it are at the core of link building strategy.

Search Engine Optimisation

Search engine optimisation is the process of making pages ‘as relevant as they can be” for search engines to believe they are valuable enough to be considered for top rankings for as many key-phrases as possible in organic or natural listings.

Nobody knows for sure how to get number 1 on Google, not exactly anyway, but getting to number one in Google is largely down the reputation of your website and how relevant pages are to keyword queries. This of course needs to be manipulated to get the the best out of a site, and that’s where companies like Hobo come in.

Typically you get to number 1 by having a good online reputation. Big brands have good reputations. Big brands rank at the top of Google, too. Your reputation is increased by the number of quality web pages that link anywhere to your site. Typically relevant pages with the most, and sometimes the best, links rank at the top of Google natural / organic listings.

Instead of focusing on number 1 in Google, your focus should be to appear in as many Google properties as possible, to give your business as much opportunity as possible to appear for as many searches as possible that are relevant to your business. FOr instance, we are a seo company, so ranking for ‘hot to get to number 1 on search engines like google, Yahoo or Bing might well be valuable to us.

  • How hard is it to get to number 1 Google? Ultimately this depends on the competition for the keyword or keyphrase and the reputation of your website. New websites typically find good rankings hard to come by in Google in competitive verticals.
  • Placing number 1 on Google and getting no traffic? You must be number 1 for a keyword that is not widely searched for.

You searched for ‘how to get to number 1 on Google’ and I hope this article has shed some light on this – at least you know you should be asking:

  • how to get to no1 in Google organic listings?
  • how to get to no1 on sponsored listings in Google?
  • how to get your site number 1 on Google news?
  • get number 1 listing on Google maps results?
  • how to get number 1 on Google video results?
  • how to get to number 1 in Google image search?
  • how to get number 1 in Google shopping comparison?
  • how to get website 1 in Google blog search?
  • how can i get a site to number in Google updates?
  • how to get number 1 on Google local business (now Google Places)?

You can get to number 1 in Google for free if you know what you are doing, and if you don’t, you can pay Google Adwords or find a search engine optimiser like Hobo who can consult with you to help you rank no1 in Google, Bing & Yahoo search engines’ organic listings.

Beware seo companies who promise no1 ranking guaranteed. No one can guarantee no 1 rankings in Google.

How Much Traffic Will I Get From A Number 1 In Google?

I’m a Link Builder, Jim, Not A F*&^ing Soothsayer!

I was cornered and asked this yesterday :

How much traffic can you guarantee I will get from a number 1 spot in Google natural (unpaid) listings?

and this seemed like the most accurate answer I could give…..

….more traffic than you would get if you were in number 2 position

Most keyword data tools are inaccurate.

Without actually being number 1 for a term, it’s impossible to say for sure. Google Adwords of course is very useful (the best keyword research tool?) but your paying a pretty penny for all that intel and often, the client has no data to share.

If you’re a seo with a few number 1 terms, you can look see what traffic you get and compare it with any keyword data tool for that key phrase, and then make some assumptions from any normalised data. You can also mine for opportunities in your niche comparing keyword volumes with keyword competition etc etc. – you can even look at Alexa (!) and Compete and a few other places.

I use SEMRUSH and Google keyword tools to give myself an idea of the most popular keyterms, but then again, I am a link builder, not a keyword monkey, or a soothsayer.

I only need to do the easy bit – change rankings for as many keyword terms as possible – usually by building domain authority.

I hate wasting too much time on something when it’s little better than a surmising that’s been calculated. I’d rather spend that time thinking about getting real links from real sites (where possible). 6 months ago Google told me a keyword sent 20,000 visitors a month – today it is 18000 – local, it is 9000 searches. I am no2 for that term plural and single word) after wikipedia now in google.com, and getting  200 visitors a month from both terms.

That’s a pretty big discrepancy even between the local numbers. I got 10 visitors on that term today. 10×30 is 300. Even if I triple that for the number one spot, that’s still a bit difference!

Then again, I get 11,000 visitors a month to a term/keyword combo that doesn’t even register in any keyword tool lol!

I certainly never trust the actual volumes I’m told about by these keyword tools. Often I’ll turn to Google Analytics to spot more likely/ achievable opportunities in traffic.

But as an seo, I’m supposed to know about keyword research, linkbuilding, server responses, Pagerank, relevance factors, ranking benefits ET AL.

When I am speaking to potential clients, I’m usually in, just after some swanky salesman from another seo company, has hit the prospect with GUARANTEES and FIGURES I think to myself I’m not even bothering trying to compete with this because most claims like this in seo are nonsense – a best guess at the very best.

And I’m not saying keyword research isn’t important. It is a fundamental part of any campaign – perhaps the most important part. It’s just not my favourite bit of seo (getting real links to relevant pages is), and I hate making any kind of predictions in any market I don’t have years of experience in – and there’s a lot of markets out there.

I pointed out to the prospect if whether I win this contract or not is based on whether or not I can guarantee anything about traffic levels, I’ll bow out of the negotiations. Whatever I come up with is a best guess.

We did win the business….. proof you don’t always need to talk b*llocks to get on in seo or online marketing.

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Number 1 Ranking In Google + Bing + Yahoo

Here’s a secret some seo companies might not want you to know about. The number 1 reason a lot of sites get number 1 places in Google listings are….

…they are good enough. It really is that simple.

This simple:

  • Basic good practice on page seo guidelines.
  • Sprinkle a few high quality anchor text savvy links at the site while avoiding like the plague any “get links fast” schemes
  • ENSURE on-site navigation is google friendly, and coherent.
  • Ensure the site is easy to update

…then, round of with some killer, original content that is of at least similar quality to other sites and pages competing for the desired terms and you know what, after rinsing and repeating ad nauseum, you’ll probably rank in Google for desired terms.

I am often bemused when I visit Webmasterworld and see poor webmasters who’ve been banned by Google (which i suspect happens a lot less than people think) or have completely lost previously high Google rankings. I automatically think to myself, if I visit these sites, will I be disappointed? Do they have the content or is their position “link generated”? If they do have the content, have they screwed up the simple stuff? Have they made a big mistake, somewhere critical?

Google doesn’t owe anybody good rankings. Just because you’ve been number 1 for years doesn’t mean the position is unmovable, either.

And anyway, is there such a thing as “Number 1 in Google” these days? Ever flux and constant updating ensures a freshness to the top ten, so in reality no seo company can guarantee any company prolonged number (insert number or page) listings – although many do.

Every position in Google is up for grabs. Instead of buying links, mass link-bombing of keyterms, mass registration of fake domains or trying to “game” Google, why not just add good content to your site and make your site “better”? Don’t worry – with practice, it gets easier. In time, rankings come – but only with good content.

Sure, some sites bend the rules and get good rankings. They may even keep these rankings for some time. But in the end, they are generally hit by changes in the way Google deals with things.

That’s what we help customers with. We consult with them to try and make sites better. For Google and visitors. It’s a long term strategy, takes a lot of hours, but surely it’s the only sustainable method for Google success for most companies.

And you know what? It works.

We don’t know how Google works. No SEO company does or can know (and if they do, believe me, they are too busy making money for themselves to help you). We are successful because we know the kind of sites that Google likes (this is common knowledge), and we help clients to try and develop these.

Sometimes it’s knowing what not to do rather than what to do that gets listed at the top of Google.

If you want us to do your seo, you’ll need to understand this. If you have a one page website, basically an advert for your company, we’re not willing to spam the search engines for you, as this isn’t common sense sustainable business for you or us.

There’s too many customers out there who are willing to spend the time required making their website quality for visitors and Google. We’re too busy helping them.

If you’re one of these clients who want to make their website better, contact us. If not….

How Many Clicks Does A No1 Ranking In Google Get Compared To No2, 3, 4 & 5?

A LOT more, that’s the only thing that can be bet upon. It really does depend on a multitude of variations, from what Google displays around your listing, to the nature of the query itself.

Google Webmaster Tools now shows click though rate and position in SERPS – so you can work this out for your own site. Not that it’s accurate – but what else do you have?

I picked a term I know I have had the top 5 positions at various times, and it’s interesting to see the clickthrough rate on particular keyword searches…. and how many clicks the top position in Google gets compared to the number 3 position, no4 and no5.

Position 1 58 46 79%
Position 2 91 46 51%
Position 3 210 73 35%
Position 4 260 46 18%
Position 5 110 12 11%

Obviously, this is just one example – it will take a while to look into the new data and look at an average – but it shows a number 1 getting nearly 30% more of the clicks than a no2 ranking. You might find some useful nuggets of information at Google Webmaster Tools for your own site…..

Of course, click through rate can be skewed by any number of factors – the nature of the query  or how compelling your call to actions are in your title and your meta description, to name just a couple.

This info might prove interesting once aggregated.

Get Top Ten Rankings In Google With Simple SEO

Simple seo is just that. Simple. You can get top ten rankings in the SERPS in many industries just by following some very basic (on the whole, onsite) seo tips.

It’s worth pointing out that you *typically* have three chances to tell Google what a page is about, and how important the page is.

  1. On Page – The actual text content of the page
  2. On-Site – In internal links to the target page
  3. Off-Site – In links to the target page from other websites

OK – You’ve got your site….. it’s got the usual stuff – home page, contact page, about us, map, products – but you have a blog! A blog lets you easily add pages. That’s all you really need, although you can do this without a blog of course, but then you need to know a bit about website design.

There may be some evidence that the more you link to a page in your website navigation structure, the more important Google seems to think that page is, in relation to the rest of your site at least.

Pages that aren’t linked to frequently may not have enough link equity to make it into Google’s main SERPS.

  1. Optimise 1 page for 1 keyword (multiple related key phrases)
  2. Make sure you have a keyword rich page title, the words and keyphrases on the page and in the name of the actual file path if possible
  3. Link to this page from within your site with the anchor text “keyword” a few times at least
  4. Don’t link out from that page with the exact anchor text “keyword”
  5. Going forward, try and encourage other sites to link to this page with the anchor text “keyword” as opposed to your home page. This is called deep linking. Of course, the more unique and better quality the information on your page, the easier it is to achieve this. Stay away from low quality link sources.
  6. Sometimes, I consider linking out (where relevant on this page) to other quality sites

Thinking: A well optimised page followed with a few incoming links from external sites will perform very well in Google, and is boosted when you tell Google “Hey – This page is important”, by linking to it from other pages on your site. Not linking out to any other page (from the target page) with the exact term you are targeting tells Google as far as this page is concerned, it’s the authority document on the matter (which is the aim of SEO). You would think.

Warning: This works well for small sites, with a few products. Using this strategy on a site with a lot of target pages will have mixed results, and you risk making the site look spammy.

Simple SEO might be all your website needs to get better rankings in Google.

Always remember not all links are equal. Nothing helps an individual page more than on-topic links from reputable websites, but it’s clear you don’t need thousands of links to get top rankings in Google.

Make a relevant, well optimised page that is well linked to in your internal site structure, and back it up with a few anchor text rich links from external sites. This strategy helps leverage the overall authority of your domain to rank specific pages, ideal if you’ve not a lot of authority to begin with.

Tip to Remember - Give Google what it wants – Optimise your page, and always link generously to your important pages within your site navigation and content.

BIGGER TIP – DO NOT OVERDO IT. Keep it simple.

Traffic Is Are Never Guaranteed

No1 Ranking in Google Lost 87.5 % Of Value In Last Month & It’s Still No 1.

A lot of folk have been complaining about loss of traffic on especially long tail searches. My initial thought was to do with internal linking because that’s how I’ve traditionally ‘optimised’ for the long tail & increased serps competition etc – but a lot of different things could be at play.

There’s an interesting discussion at WMW.

I’ve been digging about analytics to see if I could identify a particular reason for this (as I see it on a few sites I monitor) and there doesn’t seem to be anything stand out and consistent in my analytics so I checked the source – Google SERPS.

In one example I thought was interesting enough to share – I’m looking at a 4 keyword term I am number one for (which gets a bit of traffic) drop 87.50% in traffic in the last few weeks…. AND IT”S STILL NUMBER ONE.

LOL

What do I have to thank for this PARTICULAR SEARCH?

  • New 3 column SERPS layout making SPONSORED LINKS creep that further bit down the page and push organic listings further down
  • NEW SERPS layout encouraging clicks away from the organic “centre’ listings – I mean, come on WTF is using that ‘wonder wheel’?? Totally distracts the user clicking into Google UK only results
  • Oh, hello *&^%ing Google Shopping Results and local Business Results & &^%$ing video results and images results, PROBABLY grabbing folks attention from that coveted(?) no1 slot
  • Hey lets not forget REAL TIME UPDATES & NEWS & Search Customisation Updates – the list is extensive

Oh yeah, about that number 1 slot – barely above the fold tonight as I check…. still number one though for all it matters but when you’re committed to building good solid sites for customers and aim to increase month on month traffic it’s not nice to report back:

Oh 87.50% DROP on a main keyterm traffic – Google has f*&^%$£ you. We need videos, pictures and shopping feed to feed the Google monster these days

Now – of course this is on one keyword and it’s a bit of a SENSATIONALIST TITLE I’m using, and everybody will have different reasons for drops in traffic – and plenty are moaning about THAT over the last months. I just thought this was a single, granular example of how I lost a lot of traffic on a keyterm just because of UI changes.

It’s not just what YOU do – it’s what Google is doing with those SERPS too.

In some cases, loss of traffic IS probably to do with how Google is presenting all it’s products to searchers too.

It’s reasonable to assume as Google refines it’s products, they are going to seep more and more into longer tail searches, stealing clicks when previously, you would have got them.

Whats the point of being number 1 for a term if just below or above that Google is presenting eye-catching distractions via Google Video and Google images and Google News and Google Local Business Listings?

It’s probably never been more important to make sure you are taking advantage of ALL Google channels these days because Google is – and it’s playing about with where they appear on the page.

On a seperate note I do subscribe to a lot of the long tail traffic drop theory out there at the moment too – and would probably think Google is getting better at crawling deeper and faster too, and identifying better links, which is could well be the reason if you are experiencing traffic drops.

Why Do Google Rankings Change All The Time?

A big misunderstanding of Google and search engines like Yahoo & MSN is to view them as “one big super-computer.” In fact, they are tens of thousands of machines, located in different “data-centers” (DCs) all over the world.

And they do not get updated all at the same! Instead, changes are rolled out slowly, a few data-centers at a time, and a few machines per datacenter at a time.

As a result of DNS-based load-sharing, the “Google” you connect to right now is not the same “Google” you connected to five minutes ago — It is a different machine at a different IP address so different set of results.

So, you are simply seeing results on different Google machines, depending on when you connect (and where you connect from).

If you see your brand-new site appearing and disappearing, but ranking well with increasing frequency, that is potentially good news.

On the other hand, if you see your well-ranked site dropped with increasing frequency, then that is bad news. It is however possible that you’re connecting to only partially-updated servers (computers), and your data isn’t loaded yet. It doesn’t make sense to panic until your site disappears completely, because it might drop, or it might pop back — You just can’t tell.

This is why no SEO company in Scotland can promise you No.1 in Google. From minute to minute, even Google engineers don’t know who will be top for a specific search term on a specific computer / datacentre.

We aim to build good quality sites with quality incoming links to ensure at least your site remains bobbing about on Page 1 of the results.

Does Google Play Loaded Dice With Your Rankings?

The Google Algorithm

What Would You Do If It Did?

Recently I found an exact match domain for a little project, with 4 domain extensions. I popped a little bit of text on each so as to be ‘unique’. A one page holding site for each. I left for Google to discover.

A few weeks later all 4 exact match domains are in Google(.co.uk) and ranking for their term in the same vertical (with another 168,000 results).

  • .com 5
  • .net 12
  • .org 21
  • .co.uk 23

Your rankings of course, will ultimately be determined by your content and incoming links, and the rankings will fluctuate, but it struck me as slightly interesting to see the difference in ranking between the sites, as I have often wondered where randomness factors into Google – if it does.

In the test sites, the titles are the same, the keyword is mentioned the same amount of times etc etc… theres only 50 words on each page max. There really is not much different between the pages – at all – apart from the domain extension.

If you have a .com in this case, you are laughing – immediately in a top 5 position. But if you choose a .co.uk, you start from the 3rd page? Dead in the water. At least, your starting from a different point.

Perhaps it’s to do with the domain extension, but perhpas it is an indication of how Google works at a granular level – the discovery phase – perhaps at this level, your positions are assigned randomly based on a particular set of principles (which we will never know).

Perhaps this randomness is prevalent in Google inner workings and is what protects it from us ever finding out exactly how any particular element works, and even employees knowing it all, or being able to ‘promote’ –

Matt Cutts did say on his blog:.

someone walked up to me and pretended like he wanted to bribe me: $500,000 for a 1st place ranking. I turned him down, because no one can guarantee a #1 ranking — not even me.

I’ve REALLY tried to isolate some fairly simple elements use in the past – some I thought MUST give me a definitive answer but alas they did not.

If this was the case it means trying to actually figure out how Google works is a non-starter – it would mean there was no sweet spots, anywhere. Perhaps it’s different for all sites. For all elements. Join that together with some ranking elements that are turned OFF, or tweaked, personalisation, geolocation etc etc and you have something that can’t be gamed. Well, too much.

Perhaps this randomness is more diluted for the top sites, than the churn they sit on (everything after page 2 or 3)?

What would you do?

It’s actually very easy to get good returns from Google unpaid listings if you give it what it wants.

You can stack the odds in your favour by adding lots of content and getting credible links to your site. That’s what seo is for me. Look at what the competition is winning with and try and figure out how to 1. compete and 2. beat them. Usually that means copying them to a point, and then trying to do something better at some point when inspiration hits.

Google has a lot of spammy verticals it seems to want to let you spam your way into them as long as it’s a good relevant site which is at least as good as the current competition that have already. Of course, some verticals seem more protected than others, but that could just be the level of competition, or an ‘age’ thing.

It seems as if Google purposely uses brands to clean up verticals with lower quality competition. If I see a vertical with a lot of big powerful brands as the top ten I think ‘hello’ – here’s a vertical Google needs some help with. Brands (well, specifically internal pages, like a bbc article for instance, are good, but they don’t beat focused anchor text linkbuilding on their own). Or even a great exact match domain that’s been in a low quality linkbuilding campaign.

To get the most from any element, you probably need to be a player – an online entity – a site with trust in any type of competitive vertical.

Which means getting BETTER, or more trusted, more credible links than the competition has, if your page is RELEVANT.

Google is clearly going to be using signals from brands for a long time to come. Links from online brands will make your website a brand until it finds another way of finding trusted sites.

I see a ‘brand’ as a real site, with some real links to it (or fake real links). This is probably why the seo companies who put links in their client websites rank at the top of the SERPS. I don’t ask any seo clients for links, but I ask folk we’ve made websites for, for the odd link.

As soon as Google can access your pages, with simple navigation, with original content, with a good title – it really is about getting links from real sites.

This is all pure theory – just a mind wander if you are into seo geekery. Don’t go changing your domain name or anything silly. maybe this is all just a cae of – it looks like that – sometimes.

The point of my article I think is to point out even though you don’t have all the answers, getting quality links is and will be the most important thing you can do to get better rankings from google. If you want more traffic from Google meantime – add content. Lots of it.

How To Check Your Rankings In Search Engines

The most reliable mac/pc tools I’ve found are Rank Tracker & Advanced Web Ranking – both reviewed on my seo tools review page here. Both tools are pretty cheap and they do what they say on the tin. Both have ‘search engine friendly’ rank checking modes…..Rank Tracker is simpler to use in my opinion.

But if you are going to use tools like these to check your rankings, then you’ll most definitely need a tool like HIDEMYASS to protect your privacy while you check your rankings – as most search engines don’t really like automated bots like these scraping their content (the irony). Eventually, your IP will trip the limit and search engines will block that IP with Captchas. Which is when HIDEMYASS changes your IP. Where possible, it’s always best to treat the search engines nice, anyway….

The ideal setup is probably to have a ‘workhorse’ computer with AWR or Rank Checker scheduled to check rankings at the same time every day – with HIDEMYASS installed and set to randomly change your IP location every few minutes between servers that are geographically local to you.

I save my rank reports to free web storage website DROP BOX so all my reports are accessible from all my machines.

One machine to run the reports. Many machines to view them.

Don’t get too fixated on all of your rankings – some terms and results pages are bound to jump all over the place – Google is designed that way! And don’t just try to rank for just a few terms. It’s much better to rank for lots of different – and related – terms than have a business based on one keyword at the top of what’s bound to be a competitive term…. so that means just adding lots of related content and getting some links to it.

Compare Bing & Google Rankings

With the merger of Yahoo & Bing as far as search results are concerned (Bing will provide Yahoo with it’s search results in futue), I think it’s time I took Bing SEO more seriously. Over the next few months I’m going to examine the differences and similarities of the two primary search engines, Google and Bing, with a focus on Bing SEO.

So it’s a farewell to ranking no1 on Yahoo with exactly the type of site Google hates…. and hello to Bing (the search engine owned by Microsoft).

  1. Compare Bing & Google Rankings – This tool is pretty cool for a start to check the differences between Google and Bing rankings – http://www.bing-vs-google.com/
  2. I joined the Bing community too – http://www.bing.com/community/

NB – In the US, the change has already happened, and Bing provides Yahoo with results. The switchover has not yet happened in the UK to my knowledge.

How To Check Google Rankings In Other Countries

The Ad Preview tool from Google also shows organic search results and how they look to users around the world.

You can see just how rankings differ from country to country and place to place – worth considering when researching keywords. Geolocation and personalisation really mixes Google rankings up too.

https://adwords.google.com/select/AdTargetingPreviewTool

I forgot all about this tool until I recently saw it mentioned by AlyssaS on Webmasterworld I thought it might be useful for some. There are desktop programs and online tools that allow you to do this too, and track your rankings over time. It’s worth noting Google does not like rank checker programs.

Check Google, Bing & Yahoo rankings in other countries using Rank Tracker, Rank Checker Ace and AWR (Advanced Web Rankings) all reviewed on this blog.

I’ve collected my favourite seo tools here.

PS – Use a rotating proxy.

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  1. imjuk says:

    Sometimes all you have to do on some sites is change some title tags and alter some content and away the site flies – best I’ve ever heard about was someone who fixed a robots file and walked out the door SEO cheque in hand and the site ranked like no ones business. Generally all a site needs is a bit of TLC and a bit of gentle push in a certain direction to start it going. Once you get your site kicked off well it should keep going. A solid foundation and your website will have the best chance of survival

  2. goyin says:

    i hope you’re right, i just finally found a focus for my blog and so i changed the title tags, and they barely got indexed by google, but no change in rankings yet. ho hum.

  3. DolphinPromotions says:

    Yes I totally agree, I use Digital Point a fair bit and some of the sites people moan about not ranking are just awful. Ok so Google doesn’t penalise you for having a rubbish design but it has to effect the number of people wanting to view your site and also linking to your site. I don’t really do the whole reciprocal linking thing much but I personally would never link to a site that looked bad or generally had poor content.

  4. Rafael says:

    Number 1 Ranking In Google is not enough if your site doesn’t have good content. Yes I agree. Better sites content tends to keep rankings than a sites having a poor content. Better content plus good Link building Strategy and good On-page optimisation, I think these will help in making a better sites.

  5. imjuk says:

    Goyin – If you’re having trouble getting your blog indexed in Google make sure you’re pinging the right places. In the default setting you’ll be using pingomatic which should be fine. You’re in technorati etc so you should be getting spidered. If you increase your ping list you may be able to get mroe links for each post increasing the rate at which your site gets spidered.

  6. Shaun Anderson says:

    IMJUK – I heard that one too. I think the guy got $40,000 dollars as a fee to get a site indexed by Google (years ago) that had previously resisted all efforts by the client to get listed. In the end, it was a few lines of code in the Robots.txt file that was actually preventing Google from indexing the site and once fixed the site was, sure enough, indexed by Google. Not a bad return on 2 minutes work. An expensive lesson for the client (who probably still doesn’t know) but who in the end hopefully made the money back through sales from his new google friendly website.

  7. Michael SEO says:

    I have an SEO site, and the question was asked – why would anyone link to it? Interesting blog articles are certain one part of what makes a site linkable, like this article. The question is, how do you have the same on clients websites? How do you encourage the owner to post random musings about their industry and then market that to their peers? At least with SEO, we are inherently internet savy. I advised a new hotel client to email each of their clients the day after they stayed to make a blog post about their experience, and to make a blog post on their own blogs linking to the hotel. The Hotel will also have a video booth that gets fed to itube… Intelligent use of social media. Will be interesting to see how it works out once implemented, and when they replace their flash based site… http://www.hotelso.co.nz

  8. Shaun Anderson says:

    Michael, that’s a great idea. And I think that’s exactly what seo is. A part of it at least. Adding good quality content, or rather encouraging the addition of good quality, relevant, content to any site (your own, a client’s, or in this case another site altogether, is one of the single most important aspects in developing a successful website, and of course, generating that odd link or two :)

  9. MrFlicks says:

    Could’nt agree more with original post nor the last in most all That’s why we are here ON Google Page 1 or 2 quality text/copy content – forward thinking and excellent inuition – an insight into human behaviour and a flair for knowing what ITt is that IS the happy balance between writing for search engines and for human surfers to. Engaging the both – Insight

  10. David Hopkins says:

    For my own site I’d go for lots of longtails from posts – if I had the time available to churn out the number of posts you do :P The best enquiries I have had via Google are all super-longtails – people looking for info and then converting. I found web design/SEO enquiries from SERPs to be too low quality in general to be worth going after. As for Google wanting to change the way they handle links, I would have thought they could do this quite easily by placing less emphasis on link text and more on link equity. There are plenty of web design companies, for example, that are PR6-7 who rank well below a bunch of PR3 keyword-rich linked sites. It is a lot easier to get lots of low quality keyword-rich links than it is to get a handful of high PR links. Maybe its not that simple, but personally I think the SERPs would be a lot harder to manipulate if Google was more trusting of the page content of high PR sites and less trusting of link text in general.

  11. Jordan says:

    Think your table needs a header row to show what the two figures mean – impressions and clicks? :) Apparently we had 1,300 No1 and 1,000 No2 impressions for “happy easter” (WTF?) without a single click-through!

  12. Joseph says:

    I have gone through the data for one of my clients site. I have noticed that the data on webmaster tools for clickthrough rate on particular keyword searches is under reported. The same term in Google Analytics for the same period shows much more clicks. Also one must keep in mind that Google Analytics cannot record the clicks where javascript has been disabled so the Actual clicks are a lot higher than actually reported.

  13. Brett Pringle says:

    Almost had a heart attack the end of last week while doing client reports with organic traffic dropping, not by small percentages as expected at times with shuffles in the results, but LARGE percentages. However, not much change in longtail from what i can see either from analytics data across clients. Tend to take Google Insights data with a pinch of salt, but either Google is having problems compiling that data, or their seems to be a decline in search volumes across the various client verticals we work in as well over the month. The new SERPS layout in Google is definitely playing some role in this. Will be interesting to see some studies on the change in the SERP click distribution with this awful new layout (gives me a very cramped feeling when browsing :) )

    • Shaun Anderson (Hobo) says:

      Brett –

      decline in search volumes

      I honestly wondered that too…

  14. Andy says:

    Poor Dave was slapping on his tin foil hat to defend himself from my weird wacky theories in dojo chat about how SERPs work. Take a look at total search volumes for a similar period from a few weeks before and also previous year. I have been trying to explain some of what might be going on here http://www.experts-exchange.com/Web_Development/Internet_Marketing/Search_Engine_Optimization_SEO/Q_26140505.html

  15. Gagan says:

    Ans you forgot to include the personalized search thing, which makes sure that you are not at No 1 for all your readers , even after doing lots of link building. Well Google is becoming more greedier. It is now looking for new ways to insert paid results in organic search engine rankings.

  16. Mark says:

    All I can say is: “Thanks goodness for social media.” If what you say about Google stealing clicks for long-tail keywords is true, then ultimately, they will dilute their own value. In my opinion that is spamming.

  17. Dave Ashworth says:

    “It’s probably never been more important to make sure you are taking advantage of ALL Google channels” couldn’t agree more with that, coming at this from a different angle, I have been plugging away trying to get a client on page 1 for a high volume term, and the difference in traffic from being at no.10 and no.11 was noticeable but the CTR was better on page 2! http://www.returnondigital.com/blog/sometimes-page-two-rankings-are-better-than-page-one add to this now the fact you point out that there is more on page one and you really do have to have all bases covered to maximise your CTR, especially now a number 1 rank can appear below the fold!

  18. John says:

    Yes, I was thinking along these lines too… I think that they are going down the line of forcing more people to click on their adwords – trying to squeeze more and more out of the lucrative adword clicks. Where else does google make any juicy money? Problem with this is that they are beginning to piss off the honest to goodness searcher’s…. if they just want paid advert links forced into the results then they would be using AOL or Ask’s search pages. I really don’t get the personalised results either, surely if you are looking for new information or a better supplier, then you won’t want to see all the sites you’ve used in the past… would you? The local thing is good if you are looking for a local supplier, like a plumber – but it is totally floored in two respects:- 1. Their geo targeting is a total load of crap. My computer at home thinks I’m in Wakefield and the computer in work (5 miles away) thinks I’m in Manchester, I’m actually in Shropshire for god’s sake. 2. It doesn’t know if I’m looking for a mail order supplier that will supply the entire UK I don’t know how things are going to pan out with google, they are the search behemoth, synonymous with search. But they need to respect what people mainly use them for…. to find unbiased natural and relevant results. While I’m on it, tell me why people want to see other nerds inane tweets within the results, crazy crazy. That’s my rant for the week over with :-)

  19. Brett Pringle says:

    @Andy, Pity we can’t see that thread. A summary perhaps for the non members of what you’ve come across so far?

  20. David says:

    I can understand the big drop, but im sorry to say that as they roll out more products and solutions you may experience more loss as users are able to navigate within Google to get the information and don’t actually have to click to your website anymore.

  21. Chevy says:

    I’ve seen MAJOR drops in traffic starting Mar 6th. Google Images is sending me less than 10% of what had been the average. Total traffic drop is at least down 25% and paid Google Adwords clicks are down 50%. I think there is so much on the page that it’s spreading clicks around every which way.

    • Shaun Anderson (Hobo) says:

      Yeah Google changed where it’s images referrals came from – now it’s google.com/images or something….

  22. Terry Van Horne (SEO Training Dojo) says:

    Shaun… number 1 is number 1 whether it is a google listing for local, a video, news pak or whatever. The days of ten blue links is not only gone from Google but also Bing. I have been slicing and dicing the Universal and it is evident the days of passive content development based on keywords alone are long gone. The nimble, the creative and those who get the role social plays in these verticals will be the SEOs err…. Digital Asset Managers that will succeed. The rest will still be expecting the comeback of the 10 blue links which everyone should know is not what Johnny Q wants these days. Stats show they want news, video and buzz… so provide that or get left behind. IMO, it is that simple. Look for SERP click stats it’s pretty evident that what Johnny Q wants has either changed or SE’s just figured out how to give it to ‘em.

  23. Richard Cummings says:

    I think, if we use common sense, Google will come up with a way to get the people who are going after long tail searches, and as you speculate, are well on their way. In the past, you could create a well-optimized page called “How To Succeed with Long Tail Searches” and you could win for this term immediately. I don’t believe this is so anymore if your blog has no juice to begin with.

  24. Alex Q says:

    I’ve had some issues in the past with acquiring backlinks too fast and being pushed back the big G. They were all legitimate inbound links gained through numerous blogrolls (without specifically asking or contacting webmasters for link exchanges or text links). Very annoying, although we eventually got to the top spot (after a few months!).

  25. Andy says:

    Some weird stuff for you from my freaky collection – pushing for the new terms could reduce ranking/traffic on the established term.

    • Shaun Anderson (Hobo) says:

      Interesting. I’ve thought about this too but never had anything clear to focus on. NB Just yesterday my top performing page just nosedived two pages after being number 1 for most of the year. Sat there for 2 days. Now it’s back at number 1 again. This page is no1 because it’s RELEVANT and on a moderately trusted domain. No links involved at all. How can it drop 2 pages in one sitting without there being anything funny at all going on? There’s plenty of strange stuff I see I don’t blog about. not enough time in the day lol PS – Good to see you blogging again Andy!

  26. Gary FlinToff says:

    I am working on a educational site from last 2 years. Only one time i got the best ranking i.e 18 , but from last six months its on the 4th page of Google. Though i am building quality links having good PR and also doing directory submissions with my main anchor, blogging as well, But i cant get the results. Please suggest me what i have to do for getting best rankings. Regards, Gary

  27. Robert says:

    I would agree that they won’t filter every page, but rather wait for those that scream to be taken notice of. I think it’s easy enough to confirm this by the fact Google will list millions of pages as a result for a search, but only ever return 1,000 – the rest simply ignored? I think that generally once you’ve hit the top 10 for a keyword it’s a good idea to work on variations of that keyword. From what I’ve managed to figure out the more variations of keyword you rank for the more natural it seems and the less likely you are to suffer a penalty of some sort. I guess that would be a perfect example of relevance? Just my opinion however.

  28. Lee Stuart says:

    Thought provoking post Shaun! Certainly it would seem very logical and quite ‘Googlesque’ to apply more resource to filtering top positions on SERP’s as they are most valuable areas of real estate, Google already have this system in place in Adwords. Definatley concur with your observations around sites acquiring links to quickly and storming there way in only be hit out with a hefty positional filter after a brief period in the sun.

  29. John Alden | Web Tasarim says:

    I’ve witnessed this a lot of times for many niches Shaun. Obviously you get to watch the first few results when you’re trying to replace them. And sometimes some results just jump out of nowhere, stay there for 2 weeks, then go back more than where they were previously. Hell it even happenned a few times to me after a spamlink attack on one of my sites by my competitors. The link spike just attracted Google, but it just went back to normal after seeing i still have the original links. Btw ‘PERIOD OF SUFFICIENT TIME'; This is the hardest part to tell a client about SEO. When they want to get to 1st place on a word like ‘Gifts’ or ‘Sports Car’, they always want it overnight…

  30. James says:

    In a way, Google’s SERP’s are emulating the way the human brain works (in as far as a machine can). Take something relatively simple such as checking the weather forecast. As human beings we’re all conservative (even if you really do think you part of a new wave of individualism – it’s all been done before :)) and tend to consistently use resources that we’re familiar with (BBC Weather, Met Office, etc, etc). It’s familiar and we trust the source – not sure this statement applies to weather forecasts though. Every day we see other sources of information about the weather – in news papers, on the TV, etc. But they’re all the same news, nothing new. Then we see the headline “Four Horsemen of The Apocalypse Ride Storm into the South West”. This gets a buzz going, we talk about it, we reference the information and create citations (links). It sticks in our brain (cached). Over time this one event becomes old hat so it gets dropped from our brain (flitered) or, worse case scenario, the Four Horsemen pay a visit every day of the week which makes it a common event and a trusted source that has many references so it sticks in our heads. A slightly odd way of looking at it but it works for me.

  31. sarah king says:

    I like James’ analogy of the Four Horsemen, makes it easier for a non-SEO person like me to understand. Google has always been a mystery to me and I find it frustrating that my tiny business is at its mercy. When you talk about trust, how does one build trust? Is it something to do with how long your site has been around or something else?

  32. Shaun Anderson (Hobo) says:

    Level of toughness of the competition is kind of determined by which skills and resources you have. We have the resources to compete in most if not all bricks and mortar B to B and B to C industries. I don’t play in the ultra competitive online markets like you mentioned. i’ve mused about the value of exact match domain names in the past.

  33. Shaun Anderson (Hobo) says:

    Indeed James – and this is going to be a continuing benefit for small business as Google relies more and more on BRAND/Domain authority cleaning up it’s index. :)

  34. Andy says:

    I need to get back in the groove – took me 2 days to get that one out about the new multiple listings allowing Malcolm to get tons of links … good for him though.

    • Shaun Anderson (Hobo) says:

      Yes I spotted it too but it was very well done (and worth a link – Google treating brand names in search terms as site: searches?) I don’t really feel the need to be ‘first out the traps’ any more – or even to be a SEO news blog (I’d rather comment on stuff and provide simple practical tips) – and I just saw it as another way Google is using domain trust to clean up it’s rankings. The amount of time I spend looking at Google I see tons of things but I leave the news to news blogs these days. I quite fancy being in Google News though, so I might have a go for one month… but I don’t think my email subscribers wants me to regurgitate news they can read on Search Engine Land, so I would probably not include those news blurbs in my main feed. Considering it.

  35. Digital Gupshup says:

    one of my blog dropped to 3rd page from 1st page for the blog’s favorite keyword, i don’t know why.. when i investigated about links i came to know many blogs having PR1 and PR0 reposted one of my post with my link for that keyword..

  36. Dan says:

    Really interesting post Shaun, I’m currently trying to climb on to the first page for my keywords, with the aim of being number 1. After reading through your article and the comments, I think I might do as you do. Hang around the first page, but not keep trying to get number 1. I’ll try and develop some more keywords and let the few I have on the first page stay there. Thanks for the article.

  37. James says:

    @Robyn. I agree with your point about poor quality sites. There are plenty of high quality sites using exact match domains out there. To deny a site the chance of ranking because of the domain name effectively puts Google in the position of being a monopoly where the most cash rich companies can compete. I guess we just have to disagree on on viewpoints here :)

  38. Jan says:

    Absolutley true. I had this situation many times. Alghough in a medium competitive niche. Rising steady, getting to the top (or almost) and than falling back again. In the end you just have to keep building backlinks and you will get there!

  39. Gordon says:

    Even when pushing a georgraphical key word for a market with about 8 players, for example “wedding shops in st albans” you get a big movement. There are only 8 shops, we should all fit on the first page, but we all take turns at the top spots, generally the sites in 1 or 2 stay static while those in 3rd or 4th place stay there for a week and then go down to 8+ with child pages form the sites above them pushing them off the first page. At one point I had 4 pages of my site in the first 9, this lasted 3 days (oner of those 4 pages was a links page…….) Weird stuff

  40. Shaun Anderson (Hobo) says:

    Maybe you can start doing my keyword research Tim :)

  41. Alan Bleiweiss says:

    That whole “According to Chikita Banana” thing – it’s more b*llsh*t. Every single keyword phrase matched against every single unique set of search results (personalized, mind you), countered by that specific entry in the SERP – it’s unique Title and Meta Description, are going to be so radically unique that it is humanly impossible to ever provide real or even ballpark numbers. Has nobody ever heard of the need to do A/B testing on page Titles or Meta Descriptions? So until I’ve got a result in place, over an extended period of time, any attempt to come up with a number might as well be immediately preceded by a sharing of the crack pipe, or immediately followed by a toke on a joint.

  42. Chrissanne Long says:

    I find offering graphic illustrations of page one click distribution is valuable when discussing SEO benefits. The SEO book has some interesting information here: http://training.seobook.com/google-ranking-value with some images that can be quite helpful, as well as statistics… 56% of clicks go to # 1, 13% to # 2, and so on, with the total of clicks for page one rankings comprising almost 98% the total clicks, leaving only 2% for anything beyond page 1…. This is helpful, but still not going to give you a crystal ball! Congrats on closing that sale… each experience helps me learn more for the next! Chrissanne

  43. Portland seo says:

    Have you considered asking the person with the #1 spot? We always focus so heavily on the computer, the algorithm, the links, but fundamentally websites are run by people. Of course many people may ignore you, but some of my best keyword research comes from simply asking other people how they are doing. More often than not, web masters are dieing to talk about Google.

  44. Edmund Sykes says:

    I am desperately interested in SEO because the web sales that we get generate a far higher margin. It is a world of competing claims, statistics and bull as everyone has said above. BUT, I’m not an SEO professional, I’m an ordinary web user. Despite being UK based, I have used Google for 10 years after discovering it on a trip to LA. I almost never click directly on the top search but scan the first page for the most relevant item and, possibly, open two or three sites in different tabs. Someone should really take the trouble to put a bunch of people in a room and see who clicks on what for any given search, is it cultural, education based, experienced based? As someone who does most of his shopping on the internet, am I alone in scanning the front page? Is an experienced internet user more likely to buy rather than browse? This is the sort of material that would make a good dissertation for someone’s Masters degree. Could others leave feedback on how they browse on Google?

  45. Willem says:

    Some time ago I targeted the german word Heimtextilien (hometextiles) as a keyword for Germany. Google keywordtool told me that there were over 2 million searches a month on this keyword. I managed to get the No.1 spot, so this should draw a lot of people. Praxis is that I get only 300-400 visitors a month on that keyword. So a number one spot is nice, but does not guarantee anything. Therefore I agree with the statement above that there is something very wrong with the google keyword tool.

  46. Lisa Bailey says:

    I was really reassured to read that you don’t do “guarantees” whereas swanky salesmen do! We recently got asked by a marketing agency without an online dept to join a pitch with them and be the SEO offering. I had to explain to them that I wasn’t willing to give fixed figures in response to the brief, and then stand infront of their client saying the same. I knew that what I was saying was correct – that there’s no way of knowing anything for sure – but I also knew that they wanted guarantees and I’ve no doubt other pitchers told them what they wanted to hear. Unlike you, we didn’t get the work! (but we don’t know if anyone did as they actually already had an agency in.)

  47. Pete Gronland says:

    A great post there Sean, I loved your initial response to the question. I recently had to “guestimate” the same kind of traffic figures. Even though I made it incredibly clear that these were only guesses based upon traffic estimations from Google, we were still asked to provide guarantees to the guesswork!! And no I wasn’t going to do this. My advice to anyone that has no choice in this kind of situation is to err heavily on the side of caution, otherwise you could be making a rod for your own back. Be honest and be transparent, I’m with Sean…you don’t always need to talk b*llocks to get on in seo or online marketing. Its refreshing to see others with the same opinion. Cheers

  48. John Alden | Web Tasarim says:

    Well Shaun, unfortunately most of the clients even when applying for seo, wants to hear guarantees such as “You’ll get 2 bazillion hits in 2 months guaranteed!!!”. But on the other hand, i agree that many keyword tools don’t reflect the reality. Most of the times the visitors volume is much lower than i expect for any chosen keyword. But i’m glad you guys got the business anyway. :)

  49. Mike Yublosky, DIY SEO Coach says:

    Why is it you always make such god common sense? Yet the vast majority of people cannot accept the basic premise of honesty and sincerity. Never fails to astound me how many of those shrewd business people still fall for those “swanky” salespeople with the promises for a great deal on the London Bridge.

  50. Deep Ripples Bill says:

    Man, you hit a sore spot. As someone new to this biz it’s tough to nail down what the consensus really is on any given topic. However, I’m beginning to figure out which of the “experts” make the most sense. I would have to concur that our own results indicate a different story with regards to the usual percentages tossed around. sometimes the % varies significantly. sometimes the search traffic estimate was way off (in either direction). sometimes our clients get more traffic from a lower ranking (apparently). Clearly this issue reinforces the notion that SEO is as much art form (or soft skills) as it is science. And we’ve learned that if a client asks questions like, “How much traffic can you guarantee me?” or, “How many links will you build?”, they aren’t a good match. We’re looking for long term partnership that focuses on real success.

  51. Edmund Sykes says:

    OK. Today I just did a quick survey of 10 contacts who are internet-aware and buy lots over the internet. None said they would press the top site that google suggests, all said that they scan the first page. The most frequent response was that people who did not normally buy over the internet were more likely to pick up the telephone once they had found what they want than to buy on-line. So, will someone out there respond to the question: “Does being Nº 1 on the Google search generate more sales or just more browsing?” Will one of you SEO professionals descend from you ivory tower and consider whether being number two or three is actually better? Edmund

  52. Gaz says:

    I must be some kind of freak because keyword research is one of my favorite parts of SEO! Adwords campain is always the best way for me if you have the time. The difference you can gain in the early stages of work just by picking the right keywords is massive. Easliy the most important part of seo for me.

  53. Robyn says:

    I do think it’s irresponsible for Google to provide such inaccurate numbers as they do sometimes though. They should at least put a warning on their label – “keyword numbers will be affected by locale, browser settings, etc.” If people shouldn’t be basing their business decisions (in part) off of it, then they should be able to (easily) learn that.

  54. TradeShow Ninja says:

    hi Shaun, Hmmm… I think this is one of the few times that I can say you are wrong… :) well, at least a little wrong, or not totally, completely right. I had to chuckle when you wrote that about all I can tell a person for sure is that you’ll get more links if you are number one than if you are number two. One thing that people sometimes miss is that this statement isn’t always true. You will only get more clicks at number one than number two if your title and snippet entice people to click your result! I regularly skip over the number one result if it doesn’t look interesting or relevant and the results below do. It isn’t only where you rank, it’s also how your title and snippet compare to the others on the page. :) Other than that, I agree with you completely. ~ Steve

  55. Randy Brickhouse Sr. says:

    Hi Shaun, I’m with you on being a linkbuilder Shaun. I’ve used a couple of those tools and the metrics are always different. I do keyword research, as a matter of fact, I did some today. I don’t bust my hump with it. I mentioned in another comment that my website was 6 months young. What I failed to say was that I have been using your guide for half that time. Your methods are working for me. Father and mother always said,”If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.” Thanks and God bless.

  56. Phil Smith says:

    Hi Shaun, Another great post that really makes you think. Do you have the luxury of other sites with a similar spread of TLDs to test with? That would have to be the way to test this and see if similar results come up. You would have to check the progress of each site over time too to determine any longer term effects of the TLD.

    • Shaun Anderson (Hobo) says:

      I will probably do the exact same thing again – I might try to control it a bit more next time.

  57. Max Brockbank says:

    I’ve been working as a consultant for an international hotels group and have noticed a distinct US bias towards domains. In particular, a Spanish hotel appears on both the US .com site and the UK .co.uk site, yet despite the UK site being closer to the hotel, better optimised, bigger, more content and more recently updated, the US site is completely dominant for almost all keywords. In contrast, Bing and Yahoo show the UK site as in the top 10 — and usually the top 2 — for almost all the same keywords, with the US site being nowhere. Both sites had similar backlink profiles (i.e. none) and link-building has since brought the UK site to the top half of page 2 on Google (and still rising) however, across the group’s websites this .com bias is still very clear with even UK hotels losing out to their US .com counterparts, so this cannot be a country-specific issue.

  58. Shaun Anderson (Hobo) says:

    Which version of Google did you search for the rankings US or UK? The low UK placement could be a country relevancy issue?

    I am in the UK, accessing Google.co.uk (all the web) – so that would be counterintuitive looking at these results.

    different robots

    Never really thought about that.

    Maybe Google found “relevancy” in your 50 word gibberish.

    I doubt it for these differences…..

    3. Perhaps the rankings reflect when Google found the sites, or the source they first crawled each website from.

    Yes, I think about this aspect in previous ‘tests’ (used loosely). Still, the differences are a bit much based on crawl time difference of a few days/weeks at most.

  59. Frans Gerber says:

    Great post Shaun, I always thought that the local TLD (.co.uk) will be promoted on the Google.co.uk search. If the sites are hosted on the same hosting server, it might be that the geographical location of the server may have something to do with it. Overall great observation.

  60. John Alden | Web Tasarim says:

    Nice one Shaun. This just brought back me to a long dead topic in my head. For a while i thought if having different extensions on a domain name would help me get a better place on serp’s. For example just like co.uk in UK, we got com.tr in Turkey. For a while i was thinking of getting the com.tr domains so i can get better serp’s in local search, but as you said it took me a while to figure that some of those sites were being placed randomly before they received any links whatsoever.

  61. Ewen Cameron says:

    Great post, I’ve been toying with the idea of forking out whatever the current owner of the respective .com is for my site. Interesting to know that there seems to be a difference. I doubt I’ll bother shifting from the .co.uk to the .com though.

  62. Deep Ripples Bill says:

    “As soon as Google can access your pages, with simple navigation, with original content, with a good title – it really is about getting links from real sites.” This basic formula does seem to be enough for most verticals. We still find that implementing best practices gets many clients to the front page without any heavy lifting. One comment in regards to getting quality links. We have a client with what I would consider a powerhouse link profile. Only issue is none of the links are from relevant sites. (thx to the services of their prior SEO who promised them first page in 90 days) By not relevant I do not mean generic directory listings. More like a dentist with tons of links from great lawn equipment sites. So I’ll assume by “quality” links you include the relevancy factor.

    • Shaun Anderson (Hobo) says:

      Er, no. I would take a top quality link on a powerhouse site in an unrelated niche (newspaper, news site) before any relevant site. It works for me. I always try and get some relevant links over the piece, but I would rather have a link from the BBC. Where’s the relevance there? Yet a link from the bbc can put a page to the top of Google – I have a few examples :)

  63. Judith says:

    Shaun, I know of sites that haven’t been updated in years, that are not the best in their vertical but the shear number of backlinks of varying levels of “quality” allow them to rank higher than the better, fresher, content filled sites. While no one knows Google’s algo, there are times I have to wonder if lots of quality, fresh content is actually what, as Google states, they are looking for. I discovered your site about a month ago and now find I look forward to seeing “Hobo” in my inbox. It is sooooo refreshing to read your commonsense down-to-earth approach. Keep up the great work!

    • Shaun Anderson (Hobo) says:

      Hi Judith Adding content to your site won’t necessarily improve your rankings for a key term, but it STILL is the number 1 way for most to get MORE traffic to their site. For instance, my rankings for SEO has never been worse. But we probably get more seo related traffic than most other sites in this industry in the UK. :)

  64. Robyn says:

    The weirdest thing about that to me is that the .org ranked lower than even .net.

  65. David Minton says:

    Interesting experiment. I’m also curious to know if any of the domains had been used before (to see if age was a factor), and if so, are there any incoming links from the previous use.

  66. Stuart Clark says:

    You mentioned that the sites were hosted on the same IP, but where was the server located? I’d expect a co.uk site hosted in the UK to perform slightly better on google.co.uk than a .com site hosted abroad, although obviously it does depend on a lot of other factors.



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