Tue 28 Jul 2009
Directory Submissions – Are Directory Links Still Worth It?
Blurb by Shaun Anderson (Hobo)
Directory Submissions – Are Directory Links Still Worth It? The problem with trying to answer such a generic question is that not all directory sites are treated equally. Some are good sites, and some are spam. Inbetween the vast majority of directories are just so wide in depth and so narrow in keyword diversity and so strung out in terms of pagerank (or ranking ability) and full of pages Google doesn’t want to list in search results to make them very low quality links to your site.
From my experience (and I’ve tested recently) I’ve never seen a site penalised by MANUAL directory submissions to any directory site nor by building these links over time. On the other hand, I’ve never seen a site really benefit from having a lot of directory links in the last couple of years. Perhaps there’s a massive grey area between these two that means spammy tactics actually would give you a better result, but i don’t know, I’ve not pushed in this direction for years.
The time spent manually submitting to directories is often better spent elsewhere like adding a page to your blog and hoping you get somebody to link to it.
Niche Local business directories are another matter though. If there’s a local business directory for your area, you should be in it especially if it’s unpaid.
If you have an exact match domain, that might be another reason for you to consider directory link building strategies.
One thing’s for sure, most directories send you little or no traffic and on their own in little numbers have little impact in SERPS.
The only directory I use (every now and again) at the moment is Yahoo, and generally, that’s for brand new sites or sites with low quality or no incoming links. Results can vary dependent on of course the levels of competition in your niche.
- I don’t pay any directory, other than Yahoo, to be listed (and for brand new sites and even then, I question the actual cost/roi more and more) – Hobo does not have a link in it as I knew I was going to actively add content / linkuild to pick up links and I wouldn’t expect any ranking imporvement by getting it listed now (20,000 links later)
- Dmoz is worth considering in a long term strategy – submit to Dmoz and forget it – but one other tip if you want to become an editor if you are a SEO – LIE THORUGH YOUR TEETH ON THE SUBMISION FORM AT EVERY STEP if you want listed!
In summary – I wouldn’t bother with directory links at all if you’re actively linkbuilding. Better to get those links elsewhere.
Directory link building can be good for muddying your link profile in a long term strategy.
This post was part of Hobo link building strategies month.
Update – Eric Ward knows a thing or two about link building and I found this recent article of his a good read and it’s largely about buidling links via directory submissions – What If Everything You Knew About Linkbuilding Was Wrong (I think about this a couple of times a day lol)
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IMO, directory submission may still give some good backlinks. I think Cutts mentioned about this in his video in Youtube and he said it is not really necessary for site to be submitted on a lot of directories. A few submissions will do. What is important is good links, relevance and reputation.
I would say ,if you’re desperate, with a pagerank of 0-3 that it would be worth it. If your pr is higher i wouldn’t.
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Hello Shaun,
Care to expand on the Lying through your teeth part of the DMOZ submission process?
I spent a few years trying to get into DMOZ with no sucess. I was honest on every submission. I waqs desperate to get into it for a client ages ago as I thought it was a good link at the time. i was 100% honest in my submissions. I submitted like once every 6-9 months or something like that. FAIL. FAIL.
One day I thought, right, I am going to answer the submission form (you know, where it asks if you have anything to do with the site in question etc) in a totally different manner and that only meant one thing.
You know what, a few weeks later, I got accepted. Go figure.
I guess DMOZ thinks there are actually people out there who are salt of the earth and love nothing more than to submit other people’s sites to it’s directory with no alterior motive than to help build the directory and further the human race.
Hi Shaunm
Not too sure that I understand how to lie on the form – there are only like, 3 questions for the site title, description and type of site.
Or am I totally missing something here?
Wouldn’t be the first time!
I’m keen to know what you mean though because I’ve had a couple of sites I’ve been waiting almost a year to appear and there’s nothing. It’s a joke!
Sorry… I got confused in my example… I meant Dmoz EDITOR…. and that was aloooong time ago. I should point that out…. I’ve not submitted to Dmoz for a while…
Interesting article.. Within the last month I decided to dabble with submitting to directories for a client who is in the building/DIY industry. We submitted to local niche directories, so in this case it was DIY related directories in the UK and rest of Europe.
We had a dramatic effect in rankings within Yahoo, Google is yet to see much gain but there was a slight increase.
re DMOZ: I’ve had no such luck getting accepted into DMOZ, I compare it to going for a job inteview without any work experience. How do you get work experience if no one employs you? A catch 22 situation unfortunately… My theory behind DMOZ listings is that Google doesn’t pay much attention to DMOZ as current editors aren’t accepting new listings because new applications are probably in competition to their listings that they have added. Just a theory of mine : )
From my experience, submitting to directories helps a lot, especially if you are not into an extremely competitive niche.
After submitting to a number of directories you will get diminishing returns so if you are starting a new site/blog I would submit to a new directory.
Ah, got you now.
Yes, I’ve been turned down for that as well. I think the people that approve editors are insecure people that love to wield power and reject people on a whim.
Maybe I shoud put that on my application?
David Harry (AKA The Gypsy has a poll on this at the moment)….
are directory links worth doing amok Dojo blurorba!