Fri 18 May 2007
Ocean Finance Devalued in Google SERPS? Moneysupermarket cleaning up?
Blurb by Shaun Anderson (Hobo)Ocean Finance (at the time of writing) seem to have lost their authority status for their trademark term, “Ocean Finance”, in Google at least.
An “authority” site is one which Google values, and Google provides extra linkage to from search engine page results -
(see Hobo Web in Google).
Update 5/03/2008 – oops – it’s happened again!
How safe is your brand for your trademark terms, in Google?
Ocean Finance Results in Google

Nowhere to be seen in the top couple of pages. Have they been banned by Google? Well it’s kind of hard to track when and where, and of course they’ll not confirm it.

As you can see, at least for the term “consolidation loan”, they’re not to be seen (although Google serps do change all the time)!
Now what could have caused this? Some sort of unethical seo (search engine optimization)? Annoying adverts all day long on afternoon telly – wait – I can’t blame them for them all!)?Who knows, but it definitely looks as though something has happened to them.
Before you shoot off back to whatever cool social network you’ve visited from, take another look at that google serp for “ocean finance”.

Nice bit of marketing there, by money supermarket, or lucky! Not only does it look as though Ocean are gone for their trademark term and at least a couple of other keyword terms, but now Google’s just turned into a bad press nightmare for them! And MoneySupermarket cleans up.
So if they have been banned (and only Google could confirm this) – it must be that they have broken Google’s webmaster / seo guidelines in some way. I’m not going to start slagging off they site or any unethical on-site seo practices they might or might not be doing, but a quick check at Yahoo shows the site has (wait for it):
Pages (327) | Inlinks (3,729,832)
……wow, that must be a very popular site with a lot of really good , useful information on it to generate that amazing number of natural links! I’m not suggesting this penalty is because of any aggressive back link generation or unethical link buying (neither of which Google approves of) or indeed any other form of black hat seo, but lets put it into perspective.
- Disney – http://www.disney.com Pages (1,761) | Inlinks (304,144) (soon to be plus this one!)
- Enron – www.enron.com Pages (2,016) | Inlinks (20,745)
- Nike – http://www.nike.com Pages (606,623) | Inlinks (575,894)
Can a loans & remortgage company in the UK generate more organic / natural back-links than Disney or that screw-up Enron? Obviously you’ll need to make up your own mind here as we cannot possibly say!
Funny thing is, though, even with all those links – (for those of you not in the “seo know” a lot of seo’s think that a high number of links pointing to a site will ensure high positions in the search engines for that site) – they still didn’t top Google.
Haven’t their search engine optimisation company read Jim Boykin?
UPDATE – After a bit more research it would appear they have not been “banned” as such. The domain is indeed in the index, but would seem to be suffering from some sort of “filter” at least which has seen it lost it’s authority position in Google for it’s trademark term.
So rather than a Google ban it would seem that ineffective seo is to blame, rather than unethical seo. Exactly what has caused this – purely conjecture. I’ve never had it happen to me. Google doesnt seem to like either:
- Their link generation strategy
- Their on-site seo (which I don’t see much wrong with per se)
….or perhaps someone at Ocean Finance ran over somebody’s dog at Google. Who knows? Only Google, I would think, and they’re not telling.
UPDATE – Hurrah! This page now tops Google (at least in a few countries) for the term Ocean Finance, at least until Google forgives them or they sort out their seo / sem issues.
To be clear – it might not be a ban, it might be just Google has turned the dial on a certain filter which has hit this particular site very hard. If that’s the case, unlucky old Ocean Finance! There are ways to prevent this……and stop people topping Google for your brand name!
Effectively, if we were an unscrupulous or unprofessional seo, we could do anything with this particular page to harm the company’s reputation, automatically redirect traffic or worse. Which we absolutely won’t of course! That’s not the point of this article, at least!
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Hi Shaun,
I was going through Digg and Google news and found your post.
“So if they have been banned (and only Google could confirm this) – it must be that they have broken Google’s webmaster / seo guidelines in some way.”
I don’t work at Google, but I’d say they’re not banned. They are in Google but have quite a few supplemental results:
Depending on which UK datacenter you hit, they are on the 5th or 6th page of results. 6th when I grabbed this link:
Where they “banned”, they’d not be found by URL or keyword search. Google just thinks that other sites are better for this phrase.
And their phrase is a mixed blessing since it contains the keyword “ocean” which is a bit far removed from “finance”.
I think they just need some SEO help. Lol. So they can fix the supplementals, optimize on good keywords, as you suggest… what is going on with those vast numbers of links??
. That does seem like a lot for the site. Perhaps they were being artificially held aloft by some of those links in the past and now they’re not getting the uplift from them?
I was talking about this in one of my own posts recently, about Apple.com:
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side note:
Disney is kind of an odd ball site since they had acquired “GO” a while back their URL has went through several permutations. Def. not engine friendly since mostly people would want to link to disney.com but … there is not really a disney.com anymore… it redirects to http://home.disney.go.com/ why is that?, many of their pages are flash based, not optimized… so few link to it.
Check it out:
http://disney.go.com/
Inlinks (38,059)
Although… as they redirect to http://home.disney.go.com/index, it’s a bit confusing for humans and engines…???
Oh well…
Cheers for the input, Scott
Ocean Finance might be a mixed blessing, as you suggest, but it used to be an authority return for that term – it’s a well known brand after all.
And they have definitely disappeared on a few keywords I monitor…
Perhaps it’s not a ban….more of a penalty? I see the still have toolbar green, but rumours are Google can remove your site and leave you with page rank.
Good article. On my DC, this page is #1 for the term ‘Ocean Finance’. Well Done.
LOL – This is just an example of what losing your authority status can mean for your brand – with just a little seo work.
Now when people are searching for Ocean Finance they could land here….better get my Google Adsense up!
The high number of links for Ocean Finance were because they participated in Digital Point’s coop advertising network.
There have been several high profile loan and personal finance companies tin the UK that are jumping on the bandwagon after the success that Norton finance are enjoying [they were No 1 for a host of terms but slowly dropping] and more recently Money Expert.
You would think that these companies who are trying to build a brand image could look to the long term and build a quality site. Unfortunately, they only want the cheap ‘as many links as possible’ option to try and rank.
Ironically,
Moneysupermarket themselves have been banned by Google. Well, not exactly banned but they have defintely been penalised (they have dropped about 40 results) for many different key phrases.
Moneysupermarket used to appear for the term car insurance on Google – not any more.
The Insiders View gives more information but it will be interetsing to see how this pans out.
UPDATE – Ocean Finance, has now returned in Google as an authority website, meaning they should be safe again at the top of Google (at least for the time being) for their trademark term, Ocean Finance
It all seems to have settled down now and you are ranking 2nd for Ocean Finance, not bad!
Excellent, ethical SEO at its best!
Great story and very clever SEO!
Just saw this article on digg about moneyexpert.com link spam.
There’s been fresh discussion on the Insiders View as well, looks like moneyexpert are going for it in a big way.
Just noticed happened again!
Ocean Finance have lost authority on the term OCEAN FINANCE. Naughty boys!!
Search Google for “ocean finance” and they have been penalised 40 points. What have they been caught doing?
Seems that gocompare got similar treatment at moment.
Coincidence?
I actually don’t think so – this a problem they’ll need a seo company to sort out for them. LOL – I think it is a legacy issue, probably relevant to the issues I raise in this post. You can never be sure, but I would surmise it’s to do with their backlink profile.
I noticed this a week or so ago but decided to give the guys a break and not inject any new posts to nick their top spot (again) LOL.
Seen it, done it, bought the t-shirt sort of thing
No surprises, really; Ocean Finance had a lot of low-quality backlinks (eg, off-topic footer links).
I guess they’re suffering from the Supllementary indexingand not necessary any non-ethical practice..I will monitor this for 4weeks daily and see what happens. I hope the pick their status back on track..
Monica
bizarrely enough I met one and became friends with one of the guys who was involved with starting Ocean Finance over the winter here.
from the stories he tells, well lets just say this isnt too big a surprise. ..and you wouldnt have wanted to get stuck with their adwords bills back in the heyday either.
They seem to have returned today. Ocean Finance now ranks no1 for their brand name. Must have done something right…. for now
– Congrats!
But for how long is the question!!
Lucy xx
Apparently they had to remove all backlinks provided by Digital Point Network. Took a while, penalty was for 100 days!
Internal SEO guy called **** apparently (don’t mess with things you don’t understand ****) – Should have been sacked.
I understand that they are adding same links again, but more slowly…..
This morning Money Expert have gone from the UK SERPS for keywords such as “credit cards” “car insurance” etc.
They also owned a site called broadband-help.com or .co.uk and were 4th for the term “broadband”. They have now gone.